tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post2738284955499508352..comments2024-01-05T15:54:09.135-06:00Comments on RAsburry's Res: Supporting Life?Randy Asburryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-27771162820614185752008-04-11T21:29:00.000-05:002008-04-11T21:29:00.000-05:00Thank you everyone for the information. Pastor As...Thank you everyone for the information. Pastor Asburry, I too was surprised at the idea that he would talk about KFUO matters on the air. That's why I wanted more information. I will listen to the files.<BR/>Lord's Blessing through the Risen Christ!<BR/>Joe WarnkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-57646934506911682422008-04-11T17:18:00.000-05:002008-04-11T17:18:00.000-05:00Thanks, Roger, Diana, and "Anonymous," for setting...Thanks, Roger, Diana, and "Anonymous," for setting me straight! ;-) I'll take a listen.Randy Asburryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-798339289201662442008-04-11T08:27:00.001-05:002008-04-11T08:27:00.001-05:00What you're looking for is athttp://wittenbergtrai...What you're looking for is at<BR/><BR/>http://wittenbergtrail.ning.com/profile/ToddWilken<BR/><BR/>Audio tracks 6 & 7<BR/><BR/>It's all there...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-89102534084940312532008-04-11T08:27:00.000-05:002008-04-11T08:27:00.000-05:00Roger,I remember something like that, but I can't ...Roger,<BR/><BR/>I remember something like that, but I can't remember exactly what Pastor Wilken's comment was. I can't say that I specifically remember him saying that he'd encouraged management to be more transparent regarding finances, but I do remember that conversation about the hidden finances of the megachurches and KFUO finances did come into it somehow.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00708743956706575091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-21617963359714102032008-04-11T07:58:00.000-05:002008-04-11T07:58:00.000-05:00I cannot remember or yet find the exact show, but ...I cannot remember or yet find the exact show, but it came as a response to a caller on the comment line. Issues had just done an "expose'" about how certain prominent TV preachers such as Joel Osteen do not submit their finances to a particular evangelical watch association. The caller, in a friendly and playful way, pointed out that KFUO ALSO did not participate in this. Pastor Wilken admitted the same and asserted that he had encouraged the management to do so. I am sorry that I cannot pin down more exactly the program. But it was probably within the last two months and, as I said, it was a part of his response to the caller comment line.<BR/>Roger B. JamesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-86212040381097193442008-04-10T21:23:00.000-05:002008-04-10T21:23:00.000-05:00Joe,I'm not aware of such a statement, especially ...Joe,<BR/><BR/>I'm not aware of such a statement, especially on the air. And knowing Pr. Wilken, I really can't imagine he would say anything like that on the show.Randy Asburryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-30873358709977288492008-04-10T11:26:00.000-05:002008-04-10T11:26:00.000-05:00Re: "Whereas Wilken is fired a month or so after ...Re: "Whereas Wilken is fired a month or so after he says on air that he's tried to get the station to adhere to financial transparency but has been overruled from above."<BR/><BR/>Can anyone tell me the date Pastor Wilken said this? Thank you!<BR/>Joe WarnkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-28316241025732115032008-04-09T17:40:00.000-05:002008-04-09T17:40:00.000-05:00Ah, how poetic!I also noticed that one of the last...Ah, how poetic!<BR/><BR/>I also noticed that one of the last shows, on the last day or so of February, also dealt with church leaders who thrive on image and success over faithfully proclaiming the Gospel!Randy Asburryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-28925782293456207342008-04-09T16:47:00.000-05:002008-04-09T16:47:00.000-05:00I just thought it was interesting that one of the ...I just thought it was interesting that one of the last shows was..."Scientific & Philosophical Arguments in Defense<BR/> of the Human Embryo"<BR/> Dr. Christopher Tollefsen University of South CarolinaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-69804737486908287892008-04-09T16:16:00.000-05:002008-04-09T16:16:00.000-05:00I'm sorry, some of those previous comments were di...I'm sorry, some of those previous comments were directed toward "Anonymous," and I forgot to indicate when I switched my attention. Please forgive, and please read accordingly. Thanks!Randy Asburryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-60099481085272502008-04-09T16:14:00.000-05:002008-04-09T16:14:00.000-05:00Susan,Good thoughts. We must remember that we are ...Susan,<BR/><BR/>Good thoughts. We must remember that we are in the "church militant," not the "church militaristic." That is, let's not just adopt and live by the motto "fight, fight, fight, especially everyone who disagrees with us"! <BR/><BR/>Also, let's remember what "church militant" chiefly means: we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against the powers and principalities...of Satan and his warmongering ways against our Savior. Yes, we must stand and fight against false teaching and its fruits - I don't deny that at all - but let's remember who the true enemy is, namely, Satan himself.<BR/><BR/>As for the Valpo decision to accept money with the string of false teaching and practice (women's ordination) attached, well let's remember what happens when one accepts money with strings attached! Should we make such compromises in our Lord's teaching passed down through His Church just for the sake of a mere pittance of $3 million? Absolutely not! <BR/><BR/>I'd rather be rich in the grace and mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ, and rich in hearing Him say, "Well done, good and faithful servant," than have a single dime of that $3 million conditional charity and risk His judgment of "get away from Me" on the Last Day!<BR/><BR/>Money may be the mother's milk of politics and ecclesial-political movements, but I'd much rather have the milk of Mother Church, because she always gives the Savior...no matter how much money we must do without.Randy Asburryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-33526573967150311852008-04-09T15:54:00.000-05:002008-04-09T15:54:00.000-05:00Just a hunch, and I emphasize HUNCH... the reason ...Just a hunch, and I emphasize HUNCH... the reason the BCS decision to terminate him was overturned was strictly financial - it probably would have cost more to fire him than to keep him.<BR/><BR/>Interestingly, it appears the reasoning behind Valpo's decision to hire a female pastor was also strictly financial: a three million dollar gift with the stipulation that they hire a female to be dean of the chapel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-74449756882437984012008-04-09T14:57:00.000-05:002008-04-09T14:57:00.000-05:00Part of the problem is that 'upper hand' folks see...Part of the problem is that 'upper hand' folks seem to have.<BR/>We're not fighting on the same plane or with the same tools or for the same goal, so that makes fighting harder for us.<BR/>If the way to gain 'the uppoer hand' is to fight fire with fire--well, we're a church of Christian soldiers and not law-enforcement; we're militant, but not a military unit.<BR/>Maybe we are winning, in that we're fighting in the ways we're given. Perhaps a 'new Synod' is not the answer. What would that do anyways? Mostly, at this point, it would relieve a lot of us of our present frustration or offer some satisfaction, but not much more. It certainly wouldn't be without its own problems and frustrations.<BR/>I don't think you can lose anything if you just remain in the Word, and find where it's preached and taught faithfully and attend to it faithfully.<BR/>What other promise do we have but that?<BR/>Susan in TupeloAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-45241144539578786302008-04-09T14:43:00.000-05:002008-04-09T14:43:00.000-05:00Good thoughts and good questions, Matt. I wish I h...Good thoughts and good questions, Matt. I wish I had some easy answers!Randy Asburryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-40695262738389722842008-04-09T14:03:00.000-05:002008-04-09T14:03:00.000-05:00Fr. Asburry... thank you for your commments... And...Fr. Asburry... thank you for your commments... <BR/><BR/>And ... as I asked earlier... I still cannot help but wonder... why are we shocked? Why are we in disbelief? Dismayed? <BR/><BR/>Seems to be this was to be expected : )<BR/><BR/>As others have noted repeatedly on this blog, Fr Weedon's and others... Synod has been straying afield from her confessions for decades... this isn't new!<BR/><BR/>We tend to keep our heads in the sand as it were, play helicopter... raise our heads occasionally when something distasteful happens, note it, maybe gripe, or in some cases even have vocal outbursts or protests.<BR/><BR/>Then what do we do? :) We collectively stick our heads back in the sand and things go on... basically unchanged ... and we can feel better for a time ... because we did at least note our displeasure or complain.<BR/><BR/>But historically, what have we really done?<BR/><BR/>And I am *not* pointing the finger at others.. I am as guilty as the next guy... <BR/><BR/>Some people who say "lets stick together, stay in the Synod, and fight for our beloved Synod etc"... I would ask.. how do you fight... what does that look like? How do we have an impact.<BR/><BR/>Seems to me thus far, Pres. Kieschnick, the happpy clappy crowd, the Jesus First folks and others still have the upper hand.<BR/><BR/>We have not found or do not have a way to make or effect change.<BR/><BR/>So again, why are we surprised?<BR/><BR/>What would happen if all those folks who signed the petition for Issues, Etc...and others like them...decided ... enough already... and formed their own new Synod? mmmm sure... would be difficult, has some issues etc... <BR/><BR/>But i would think that if 10,000 people left the LCMS en masse... would wake a few folks up : )<BR/><BR/>Cannot have a synod with no congregations or people IN it.<BR/><BR/>Just two cents again.<BR/><BR/>Matt B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-78252187125422929722008-04-09T13:15:00.000-05:002008-04-09T13:15:00.000-05:00Oh, I should add to that previous comment - There'...Oh, I should add to that previous comment - <BR/><BR/>There's nothing necessarily wrong with operating a classical (er, "classic") music radio station, but let's also use the opportunity to proclaim the Gospel (Can you say, "Bach"?) and give glory to God (Can you say, "Not playing music that fails to give glory to God or confuses the confession of our Triune God"?Randy Asburryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-20463811723451681812008-04-09T13:13:00.000-05:002008-04-09T13:13:00.000-05:00This person who is the Program Director there... M...This person who is the Program Director there... Mr. Connett... is he Lutheran at all? Just curious : )<BR/><BR/>Matt B.<BR/><BR/>Matt: <BR/><BR/>As I understand, the correct answer is "No."<BR/><BR/>Also, you hit the nail on the head: KFUO-FM is essentially a *secular* radio station. And a church is operating a *secular* radio station why?<BR/><BR/>Perhaps we also need to discover figures of listeners - numbers of live radio listeners, streaming live listeners, and so forth - from the FM side.Randy Asburryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-28986612641908657912008-04-09T13:10:00.000-05:002008-04-09T13:10:00.000-05:00Can you please help me by telling me some of the p...Can you please help me by telling me some of the places I can look? I would greatly appreciate it!<BR/><BR/>Thanks<BR/><BR/>Matt B<BR/><BR/>Matt:<BR/><BR/>Many things can be found on the LCMS website, in minutes from various boards, such as Board of Directors (also their "Board Briefs"), and the Board of Communication Services. I'm sure that the Secretary of the LCMS, Rev. Ray Hartwig could direct you to specific places, specific issues, etc. (pun intended! ;-)Randy Asburryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-85342714087902038262008-04-09T13:08:00.000-05:002008-04-09T13:08:00.000-05:00So, has the BOCS issued any statements on the matt...So, has the BOCS issued any statements on the matter?<BR/>Susan in Tupelo<BR/><BR/>Susan, <BR/><BR/>I really don't know the answer to that question, but it's certainly one to investigate. <BR/><BR/>Does anyone else know?Randy Asburryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-62066229178869990022008-04-09T12:44:00.000-05:002008-04-09T12:44:00.000-05:00Another thought... Please understand... I am as ap...Another thought... <BR/><BR/>Please understand... I am as appalled as everyone else at this turn of events... however, I also feel compelled to point out that we should not be TOO surprised... <BR/><BR/>After all... KFUO FM *IS* a more or less sectarian, classical music radio station... not dedicated to Christian programming... as the AM side... <BR/><BR/>On their web site... celebrating 60years of dedication toi Clasical music and the Ars in St. Louis... <BR/><BR/>No where.. at least on the opening page... does it even remotely indicate / intimate that they are a Christian station.... or even remotely dedicated to Christian ideals or folllowing the standards of the LCMS and its public position on life issues. <BR/><BR/>They are a secular FM radio station out to make a buck... not different from 93.7 The Bull, WIL 92.3 or any other FM station on the dial.<BR/><BR/>So why should we be surprised at this turn of events?<BR/><BR/>This person who is the Program Director there... Mr. Connett... is he Lutheran at all? Just curious : )<BR/><BR/>My two cents... <BR/><BR/>Matt B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-31022756222958916182008-04-09T12:38:00.000-05:002008-04-09T12:38:00.000-05:00RevGeorge said:Not all of these problems with the ...RevGeorge said:<BR/>Not all of these problems with the synod's operations are hearsay; they can be documented if one knows where to look.<BR/><BR/>Can you please help me by telling me some of the places I can look? I would greatly appreciate it!<BR/><BR/>Thanks<BR/><BR/>Matt BAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-19341176541654728992008-04-09T12:00:00.000-05:002008-04-09T12:00:00.000-05:00I emailed Kieschnik again this morning.'His' respo...I emailed Kieschnik again this morning.<BR/>'His' response, via his executive assistant Ann Schmidt, was thus:<BR/>>However, since this matter falls under the purview and jurisdiction of the Board for Communication Services Office, your email is being forwarded to them for response.<<BR/>So I called the office of the BOCS, and was told there was no one to talk to there, but I could leave a message and write a letter.<BR/>I asked if the Board had made any statements about the matter, since it's under their purview and jurisdiction. The question only seemed to counfound her.<BR/>So, has the BOCS issued any statements on the matter? <BR/>Susan in TupeloAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-31577700376360724962008-04-09T11:44:00.000-05:002008-04-09T11:44:00.000-05:00It sounds like the elected Board for Communication...It sounds like the elected Board for Communication Services is trying to do its job of properly managing KFUO AM & FM, but "someone" higher up is undermining & reversing everything they do. <BR/><BR/>This is not necessarily conspiratorial thinking. Looking at the records, the BCS did fire the station managers of both the AM & FM stations, but mysteriously both men retain their jobs. Whereas Wilken is fired a month or so after he says on air that he's tried to get the station to adhere to financial transparency but has been overruled from above. <BR/><BR/>Not all of these problems with the synod's operations are hearsay; they can be documented if one knows where to look.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-18850548036326939652008-04-09T11:38:00.000-05:002008-04-09T11:38:00.000-05:00Yes...thank you for making this known. This is ve...Yes...thank you for making this known. This is very distubring indeed, but does need to be made known. Thanks again for your efforts.Michael Paul 白霈德牧師https://www.blogger.com/profile/15929053729867491255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8168622605417379346.post-60249108673379741942008-04-09T10:12:00.000-05:002008-04-09T10:12:00.000-05:00Thanks for making this known.Thanks for making this known.Christopher Esgethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10440955337317194786noreply@blogger.com